One of my favorite people in Grand Rapids is Amanda Chocko. I met Amanda when I was first starting VNN, way back in 2010, so she's watched an awful lot of growing up on my part (mentally and emotionally; I've been 5'11-3/4" since 8th grade).

So it was a real treat to sit with her and chat about that evolution here. We discussed VNN, my recent midlife crisis and some of its causes, the power and cost of "acting the part," and a bit about the Meditation Groups for Leaders that I'm running.

Here's the link to the full video (30min).

It's so freeing to be totally open with the world, and not have an agenda. I think I'll keep it up.

Thanks for an awesome conversation, Amanda.